Case Studies Scadding/Rink Clubhouse Correspondence

Jul 23, 2024, from Jutta Mason

Subject: Meeting please, re Nov. 2024 Scadding Court CC/PFR "rink clubhouse" partnership

To: Cathy Vincelli <cathy.vincelli@toronto.ca>, Christina Iacovino <Christina.Iacovino@toronto.ca>

Cc: Cheryl MacDonald <Cheryl.MacDonald@toronto.ca>, Sandra Mccallum <Sandra.Mccallum@toronto.ca>, Terri Jones <terri.jones@toronto.ca>, Councillor Bravo <Councillor_Bravo@toronto.ca>, Marouan Malaeb-Proulx <Marouan.Malaeb-Proulx3@toronto.ca>, Councillor Malik <Councillor_Malik@toronto.ca>, Herman Ellis <hermane@scaddingcourt.org>, Mayssan Shuja <mayssanshuja@gmail.com>, elizabeth antczak <e.v.antczak@gmail.com>, Labib Chowdhury <labib@scaddingcourt.org>, Andrew Taylor <Andrew.Taylor@toronto.ca>, <vijay.singh@toronto.ca>

Dear Cathy and Christina,

Howie Dayton said you would be the right people to contact next, about this proposal.

Cathy, you have heard me mention this already, at the April 29 meeting. You said that a business case would need to be prepared.

Christina, you may know that a few of us met with your staff Doug Bennett and Mari Caravaggio last February to find out about partnerships. They said that I would need to apply through FOI to find out more of the details of your existing partnerships. I did, and I now know more. I will write a separate email about that.

Our group has been following the ECDC discussions about the Inclusive Economic Development (IED) framework report. The report is an interesting opening to an important issue, and the July 4 councillors' discussion of the report seems like an invitation to some actions. So our group is putting together some specific "case studies" on relevant IED examples that already exist(ed), to send to the inter-divisional working group and elsewhere.

The Scadding/PFR wintertime rink clubhouse is our new case study of the city's current capacity to put in place a modest, practical partnership that checks all the IED boxes, and more, by the start of the coming outdoor rinks season. We'd like to use the Dufferin Rink experience, along with the city's 2019 rinks social partnership conclusions, to build a "business case" for this partnership, combining specific assets that PFR and Scadding already have at Harry Gairey rink.

Two of us from CELOS met on June 26 with Terri Jones, Sandra Mccallum, and Scadding ED Herman Ellis to acquaint them with the work we've already done, over the past 8 months. The project includes some minor capital work that can be postponed -- the rink setup works okay as it is, to start.

Both Terri and Sandra said, just as you did Cathy, that a business case would have to be made. We sent them a link to the financial summary of skate lending at Dufferin Rink. We also have detailed figures about the food and equipment expenses/income, over many years.

Now, almost a month after the June meeting, and six months since we first proposed the idea, we're enthusiastic to start working on the business case with staff from both Scadding and PFR. Since Terri is the manager in charge of the outdoor rinks this coming winter, could two meetings be scheduled with her, within the next three weeks, where we can talk details?

Looking forward to your answer ~

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Follow-up

July 26, 2024 from Jutta Mason

To: Beverly Shiels <Beverly.Shiels@toronto.ca>; Kaitlin Wainwright <Kaitlin.Wainwright2@toronto.ca> Cc: elizabeth antczak <e.v.antczak@gmail.com>; Herman Ellis <hermane@scaddingcourt.org>; Mayssan Shuja <mayssanshuja@gmail.com>; Councillor Bravo <Councillor_Bravo@toronto.ca> Subject: [External Sender] Re: Re: Meeting please, re Nov. 2024 Scadding Court CC/PFR "rink clubhouse" partnership

Hi Bev, There's a problem with your timing, namely:

We've been working on this rink clubhouse proposal for quite a while, as well as making a well-known Dufferin Grove clubhouse happen for 20 years. In 2019, PFR spent $110,700 for four weekend pop-ups to apparently reinvent the wheel, and then didn't follow up.

Now you are offering either of two 30-minute or one hour-long virtual meeting.

I find this kind of rote, on the border of insulting. Also a waste of everybody's time, yours and ours.

I would prefer to be taken seriously, and meet in person. If this half hour or hour screen meeting is mostly to say this can't be done, please ask Cathy and Terri to say it up front. Then we will add that to the negative side of the ledger of what PFR can do re inclusive economic development, youth work, social spaces etc. Sadly, that list is getting longer.

Please clarify and let me know if that seems best in the circumstances.

I have added Councillor Bravo to this thread since she asked to be copied.

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Jul 26, 2024, from Beverly Shiels

Subject: RE: Re: Re: Meeting please, re Nov. 2024 Scadding Court CC/PFR "rink clubhouse" partnership To: Jutta Mason <juttamason@gmail.com> Cc: elizabeth antczak <e.v.antczak@gmail.com>, Herman Ellis <hermane@scaddingcourt.org>, Mayssan Shuja <mayssanshuja@gmail.com>, Councillor Bravo <Councillor_Bravo@toronto.ca>, Cathy Vincelli <Cathy.Vincelli@toronto.ca>, Kaitlin Wainwright <Kaitlin.Wainwright2@toronto.ca>

Hello Jutta,

I’m very sorry if you were offended by the times offered; I was working within the times available in Cathy’s calendar. Of course, we do understand your commitment to Dufferin Grove clubhouse and your interest in growing this work elsewhere in the city.

That said, we will reconnect with you the week of August 12, once Cathy and Terri are back, to schedule some time with you and other appropriate management staff, to determine what is possible for us to deliver together.

Beverly Shiels A/Administrative Assistant to Cathy Vincelli A/Director, Community Recreation Beverly.Shiels@toronto.ca o. 416-338-6457 c. 416-688-7123

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Jul 27, 2024 from Jutta Mason

Subject: Re: Re: Re: Meeting please, re Nov. 2024 Scadding Court CC/PFR "rink clubhouse" partnership

To: Beverly Shiels <Beverly.Shiels@toronto.ca> Cc: elizabeth antczak <e.v.antczak@gmail.com>, Herman Ellis <hermane@scaddingcourt.org>, Mayssan Shuja <mayssanshuja@gmail.com>, Councillor Bravo <Councillor_Bravo@toronto.ca>, Cathy Vincelli <Cathy.Vincelli@toronto.ca>, Kaitlin Wainwright <Kaitlin.Wainwright2@toronto.ca>

Hi Bev, You did not offend me, you had the unfortunate fate of being the messenger. I assume that Cathy directed you to offer us a half or maybe one hour of virtual meeting. Perhaps Howie directed her.

What's needed is a face to face working meeting with Terri to discuss a draft business plan. The idea is to move a step ahead in this process, outlining the practical elements that are needed, listing existing resources, and realistically evaluating costs -- still without any commitment but at least not blue-sky hypothetical. It appears that PFR may have a strong commitment to not moving ahead, in which case it would be good to say that now.

But for us this is now down to an either/or. I guess we'll get that in a little over two weeks. I promise I won't say anything about you being insulting when you write back :).

Because you're not.

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Jul 26, 2024, from Beverly Shiels

Good morning, Jutta,

Below are three possible times where both Cathy and Terri are available for a WebEx meeting:

August 20th 2:30 – 3 pm

August 22nd 1 – 2 pm

August 23rd 11:30 – 12 pm

Please let me know if any of these dates work. Thanks, Beverly

Beverly Shiels A/Administrative Assistant to Cathy Vincelli A/Director, Community Recreation Beverly.Shiels@toronto.ca o. 416-338-6457 c. 416-688-7123

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July 26, 2024, from Jutta Mason

To: Kaitlin Wainwright <Kaitlin.Wainwright2@toronto.ca>; Beverly Shiels <Beverly.Shiels@toronto.ca> Cc: Herman Ellis <hermane@scaddingcourt.org>; Mayssan Shuja <mayssanshuja@gmail.com>; elizabeth antczak <e.v.antczak@gmail.com> Subject: [External Sender] Re: Meeting please, re Nov. 2024 Scadding Court CC/PFR "rink clubhouse" partnership

Hi Kaitlin,

I'm here most of the week of Aug.19, and I hope it works for the others on this email, so if Herman can do one of those times, it's good. Until then, we'll continue to talk to others from our end.

I forwarded the email you saw to Aydin Sarrafzadeh as well, because of this proposal's connection with the hiring/deployment of rec staff that the councillors were talking about on July 4.

It's interesting to talk about winter in July!

Jutta

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Jul 26, 2024, from Kaitlin Wainwright

Good morning Jutta,

Thank you for your email. I’m responding on behalf of Cathy Vincelli, while she is on holiday.

We would like to suggest a meeting with Cathy and Terri when both are back from respective vacations, the week of August 19; and that we may include in that meeting our colleague Thomas Kakamousias, who manages the team responsible for partnerships. If you’re amenable to this, Bev Shiels (copied) can suggest some options; if there are times that do/do not work for you and Herman, please let Bev/myself know directly (no need to copy all).

You mentioned two meetings in your email; we suggest a follow-up meeting can be scheduled thereafter.

Thank you,

Kaitlin

Kaitlin Wainwright Manager, Standards & Innovation (Business Readiness) Parks, Forestry & Recreation C: 416-275-4436

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August 16, 2024, from Jutta Mason

To: Beverly Shiels <Beverly.Shiels@toronto.ca> Cc: elizabeth antczak <e.v.antczak@gmail.com>; Herman Ellis <hermane@scaddingcourt.org>; Mayssan Shuja <mayssanshuja@gmail.com>; Councillor Bravo <Councillor_Bravo@toronto.ca>; Cathy Vincelli <Cathy.Vincelli@toronto.ca>; Kaitlin Wainwright <Kaitlin.Wainwright2@toronto.ca> Subject: [External Sender] Scadding Court CC/PFR "rink clubhouse" partnership meeting

Hi Bev,

I'm looking forward to getting a few dates from you next week, for a meeting at Scadding CCC with the approach I suggested in our July correspondence:

"a face to face working meeting with Terri. The idea is to move a step ahead in this process, outlining the practical elements that are needed, listing existing resources, and realistically evaluating costs -- still without any commitment but not blue-sky hypothetical."

Fingers crossed that this step can happen before the end of the month, so that we can find out whether this interesting project is worth working on.

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Aug 16, 2024, from Terri Jones

Hi Jutta,

Hope you are having a nice day. The rink clubhouse proposal has been submitted to the PFR Capital folks for review and to provide an estimate of the funding required to support the concept for Harry Gairey. We hope to have information back from them shortly.

My earliest availability is the first week of September due to prescheduled vacation and I am happy to meet with you September 4 or 6 if you are available.

As the lead for PFR’s internal outdoor rink coordinating committee, I focus on the coordination of PFR programs, but I am happy to continue to help

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